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		<title>By: Matt Kane</title>
		<link>http://musicmachinery.com/2013/01/25/joco-vs-glee/#comment-37840</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how much Juan Atkins gets paid out of this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/852/Sir%20Mix-a-Lot-Baby%20Got%20Back_Channel%20One-Technicolor/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;His &#039;Technicolor&#039; is sampled in the original.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much Juan Atkins gets paid out of this <a href="http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/852/Sir%20Mix-a-Lot-Baby%20Got%20Back_Channel%20One-Technicolor/" rel="nofollow">His &#8216;Technicolor&#8217; is sampled in the original.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://musicmachinery.com/2013/01/25/joco-vs-glee/#comment-37823</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Brunsworks, for some reason I can&#039;t reply to your post, but I&#039;ll just post it here:

If JC released a karaoke track (instrumental only) he still needed to obtain a mechanical license from Universal Music/Mixalot (which he did).    And if you&#039;ve obtained a mechanical license and paid on it since 2005, you can&#039;t suddenly try a fair-use argument (and there&#039;s nothing fair-use-able about rerecording a song).   What&#039;s surprising to me is that no one has asked JC to show the copy of his mechanical license which would state, in the very first paragraph, that &quot;your version becomes the property of Universal Music/Anthony Ray.&quot;  Before he&#039;s painted as the victim-martyr of the internet era, shouldn&#039;t someone establish the facts &amp; establish what he agreed to? 

What I&#039;d like to know is, where is the outcry in the direction of Anthony Ray/Universal Music asking them to donate their license fee from GLEE to JC?   That would be a make-good from the entity that actually  1) allowed JC to rerecord BGB  2) collected the license fee for the JC use on GLEE  -- and they morally owe this fee to JC, clearly, because it&#039;s his version that GLEE used. If anyone were to ask Universal for a formal statement, they would side with GLEE and say that JC is not entitled to anything, as they own the copyright to his arrangement. And they could produce the actual contract that JC signed that says so, in very clear &amp; unambiguous language. So could JC, if anyone bothered to ask him to see it.  It&#039;s not convoluted legalese, it&#039;s verbage that says &quot;Universal Music Publishing will own the copyright to your cover version including any changes, revisions, etc that you make.&quot;  It doesn&#039;t get clearer than that.  

The situation is a bummer, but here&#039;s the deal: JC signed the agreement to rerecord Baby Got Back: he signed it knowingly.  He&#039;s a smart music-businessperson who knows his stuff &amp; clearly knows what he&#039;s doing. You can&#039;t enter into an agreement, abide by it &amp; become famous on it &amp; make money on it ($500k/yr as several articles indicate) for 6 years, then suddenly decide that you don&#039;t like the contract. JC&#039;s name doesn&#039;t belong on the song because JC signed a contract that assigned his version of the song to Mixalot, so it belongs to Mixalot.  And it&#039;s not about credit, it&#039;s about collecting money, as JC seemed to acknowledge in his Twitter feed.  They didn&#039;t steal his melody or his lyrics, as he claims in one of his tweets: he assigned the copyright to those to Mixalot, then capitalized on his version of the song, became famous off of it, and used that as a springboard to let people hear his original work.  For every 99-cent download of BGB that he sold, he got 70 cents from iTunes: he paid 9.1 cents of that to Mixalot, and he kept the rest.    As someone who works in music publishing, it&#039;s been frustrating to read articles from legitimate news outlets like Forbes and the WSJ that are simply echoing the &quot;JC got ripped off&quot; story without actually fact-checking to see if that&#039;s the case or providing some context. Any responsible journalist should ask JC to see a copy of the contract he signed, which would put the whole thing to rest.   Now JC is openly alleging that FOX stole his audio karaoke track.  If that&#039;s true and if that&#039;s the case, then we&#039;ll see a claim and a settlement arise from the unauthorized use of his master recording.  But he has zero rights to his arrangement of &quot;Baby Got Back&quot; - he signed those away, as does anyone who does a cover of a copyrighted song.  And the whole entire drama would stop if someone would just say, &quot;Hey JoCo, can you post a copy of your BGB license on your webpage?&quot;  Them&#039;s the facts.

Paul C.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brunsworks, for some reason I can&#8217;t reply to your post, but I&#8217;ll just post it here:</p>
<p>If JC released a karaoke track (instrumental only) he still needed to obtain a mechanical license from Universal Music/Mixalot (which he did).    And if you&#8217;ve obtained a mechanical license and paid on it since 2005, you can&#8217;t suddenly try a fair-use argument (and there&#8217;s nothing fair-use-able about rerecording a song).   What&#8217;s surprising to me is that no one has asked JC to show the copy of his mechanical license which would state, in the very first paragraph, that &#8220;your version becomes the property of Universal Music/Anthony Ray.&#8221;  Before he&#8217;s painted as the victim-martyr of the internet era, shouldn&#8217;t someone establish the facts &amp; establish what he agreed to? </p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to know is, where is the outcry in the direction of Anthony Ray/Universal Music asking them to donate their license fee from GLEE to JC?   That would be a make-good from the entity that actually  1) allowed JC to rerecord BGB  2) collected the license fee for the JC use on GLEE  &#8212; and they morally owe this fee to JC, clearly, because it&#8217;s his version that GLEE used. If anyone were to ask Universal for a formal statement, they would side with GLEE and say that JC is not entitled to anything, as they own the copyright to his arrangement. And they could produce the actual contract that JC signed that says so, in very clear &amp; unambiguous language. So could JC, if anyone bothered to ask him to see it.  It&#8217;s not convoluted legalese, it&#8217;s verbage that says &#8220;Universal Music Publishing will own the copyright to your cover version including any changes, revisions, etc that you make.&#8221;  It doesn&#8217;t get clearer than that.  </p>
<p>The situation is a bummer, but here&#8217;s the deal: JC signed the agreement to rerecord Baby Got Back: he signed it knowingly.  He&#8217;s a smart music-businessperson who knows his stuff &amp; clearly knows what he&#8217;s doing. You can&#8217;t enter into an agreement, abide by it &amp; become famous on it &amp; make money on it ($500k/yr as several articles indicate) for 6 years, then suddenly decide that you don&#8217;t like the contract. JC&#8217;s name doesn&#8217;t belong on the song because JC signed a contract that assigned his version of the song to Mixalot, so it belongs to Mixalot.  And it&#8217;s not about credit, it&#8217;s about collecting money, as JC seemed to acknowledge in his Twitter feed.  They didn&#8217;t steal his melody or his lyrics, as he claims in one of his tweets: he assigned the copyright to those to Mixalot, then capitalized on his version of the song, became famous off of it, and used that as a springboard to let people hear his original work.  For every 99-cent download of BGB that he sold, he got 70 cents from iTunes: he paid 9.1 cents of that to Mixalot, and he kept the rest.    As someone who works in music publishing, it&#8217;s been frustrating to read articles from legitimate news outlets like Forbes and the WSJ that are simply echoing the &#8220;JC got ripped off&#8221; story without actually fact-checking to see if that&#8217;s the case or providing some context. Any responsible journalist should ask JC to see a copy of the contract he signed, which would put the whole thing to rest.   Now JC is openly alleging that FOX stole his audio karaoke track.  If that&#8217;s true and if that&#8217;s the case, then we&#8217;ll see a claim and a settlement arise from the unauthorized use of his master recording.  But he has zero rights to his arrangement of &#8220;Baby Got Back&#8221; &#8211; he signed those away, as does anyone who does a cover of a copyrighted song.  And the whole entire drama would stop if someone would just say, &#8220;Hey JoCo, can you post a copy of your BGB license on your webpage?&#8221;  Them&#8217;s the facts.</p>
<p>Paul C.</p>
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		<title>By: brunsworks</title>
		<link>http://musicmachinery.com/2013/01/25/joco-vs-glee/#comment-37726</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sir Mix-a-Lot’s birth name is Anthony Ray, rather than Ray Anthony.

    For me, this isn’t about the royalties (mainly because I’m not being stolen from here), but about due credit–and how badly 17 USC 125 is written. Copyright is supposed to support innovation, not crush it, but even though Jonathan Coulton wrote a completely new song that happened to use Sir Mix-a-Lot’s lyrics, he is entitled to nothing as the law is written.

    HOWEVER, there is at least one overlooked salient fact here: Coulton released a “karaoke” track separately, which only used one line (fair use, perhaps?) from “Baby Got Back,” and it seems likely that that’s what Fox pirated.

    At the very least, if they could refuse to put Coulton’s name on his own work, how could they legally put anyone else’s on it but Sir Mix-a-Lot’s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Mix-a-Lot’s birth name is Anthony Ray, rather than Ray Anthony.</p>
<p>    For me, this isn’t about the royalties (mainly because I’m not being stolen from here), but about due credit–and how badly 17 USC 125 is written. Copyright is supposed to support innovation, not crush it, but even though Jonathan Coulton wrote a completely new song that happened to use Sir Mix-a-Lot’s lyrics, he is entitled to nothing as the law is written.</p>
<p>    HOWEVER, there is at least one overlooked salient fact here: Coulton released a “karaoke” track separately, which only used one line (fair use, perhaps?) from “Baby Got Back,” and it seems likely that that’s what Fox pirated.</p>
<p>    At the very least, if they could refuse to put Coulton’s name on his own work, how could they legally put anyone else’s on it but Sir Mix-a-Lot’s?</p>
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		<title>By: brunsworks</title>
		<link>http://musicmachinery.com/2013/01/25/joco-vs-glee/#comment-37725</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sir Mix-a-Lot&#039;s birth name is Anthony Ray, rather than Ray Anthony.

For me, this isn&#039;t about the royalties (mainly because I&#039;m not being stolen from here), but about due credit--and how badly 17 USC 125 is written. Copyright is supposed to support innovation, not crush it, but even though Jonathan Coulton wrote a completely new song that happened to use Sir Mix-a-Lot&#039;s lyrics, he is entitled to nothing as the law is written.

HOWEVER, there is at least one overlooked salient fact here: Coulton released a &quot;karaoke&quot; track separately, which only used one line (fair use, perhaps?) from &quot;Baby Got Back,&quot; and it seems likely that that&#039;s what Fox pirated.

At the very least, if they could refuse to put Coulton&#039;s name on his own work, how could they legally put anyone else&#039;s on it but Sir Mix-a-Lot&#039;s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Mix-a-Lot&#8217;s birth name is Anthony Ray, rather than Ray Anthony.</p>
<p>For me, this isn&#8217;t about the royalties (mainly because I&#8217;m not being stolen from here), but about due credit&#8211;and how badly 17 USC 125 is written. Copyright is supposed to support innovation, not crush it, but even though Jonathan Coulton wrote a completely new song that happened to use Sir Mix-a-Lot&#8217;s lyrics, he is entitled to nothing as the law is written.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, there is at least one overlooked salient fact here: Coulton released a &#8220;karaoke&#8221; track separately, which only used one line (fair use, perhaps?) from &#8220;Baby Got Back,&#8221; and it seems likely that that&#8217;s what Fox pirated.</p>
<p>At the very least, if they could refuse to put Coulton&#8217;s name on his own work, how could they legally put anyone else&#8217;s on it but Sir Mix-a-Lot&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Fishtails</title>
		<link>http://musicmachinery.com/2013/01/25/joco-vs-glee/#comment-37560</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because the world does not work that way sadly. Just because you have your set of morals to live by does not mean they will have the same set of morals, abide by the rules, be fair, and do something they know is wrong. We&#039;re taking about Fox here. With them, morals mean absolutely nothing to them. Fox only cares about bring in the dough as far as they&#039;re concerned and keeping their fans happy to bring in more cash. Unless they broke a legal law or some sort of copyright, it&#039;ll more than likely be overlooked by many people since most people will only brush it off as Jon getting recognition for it instead of Fox being in the wrong for it. I&#039;ve heard a lot about it over the pass few days so I&#039;m withholding any biased judgement until more details are out. I&#039;m a big Coulton fan too and I hate that he&#039;s not being properly credited for the cover he did but law is above morals when it comes to the entertainment scene sadly. If morals were law I&#039;m sure millions of people would be in jail by now. So most of you need to stop thinking that morals hold higher than law because it never does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the world does not work that way sadly. Just because you have your set of morals to live by does not mean they will have the same set of morals, abide by the rules, be fair, and do something they know is wrong. We&#8217;re taking about Fox here. With them, morals mean absolutely nothing to them. Fox only cares about bring in the dough as far as they&#8217;re concerned and keeping their fans happy to bring in more cash. Unless they broke a legal law or some sort of copyright, it&#8217;ll more than likely be overlooked by many people since most people will only brush it off as Jon getting recognition for it instead of Fox being in the wrong for it. I&#8217;ve heard a lot about it over the pass few days so I&#8217;m withholding any biased judgement until more details are out. I&#8217;m a big Coulton fan too and I hate that he&#8217;s not being properly credited for the cover he did but law is above morals when it comes to the entertainment scene sadly. If morals were law I&#8217;m sure millions of people would be in jail by now. So most of you need to stop thinking that morals hold higher than law because it never does.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://musicmachinery.com/2013/01/25/joco-vs-glee/#comment-37541</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great summation of the quandry from a music publishing perspective, and it&#039;s reflective of one of the things someone gives up when they record a cover song instead of an original song.  In retrospect, JC will make more money and gain more fans from all the coverage in Wired &amp; various outlets than he ever would&#039;ve if he had had rights to his arrangement to begin with.  But there&#039;s no official road/outlet to use to credit him, from FOX&#039;s perspective, because he doesn&#039;t own any rights to his version. If they were to somehow accredit him, that would imply that he has some legal right over the song - stuff like that.  

The notoriously silent party in this equation is the writer/publisher of Baby Got Back (Universal Music &amp; Ray Anthony) who own JC&#039;s arrangement, who happily collected a fee for the use of the song on GLEE and who will collect 9.1 cents for every digital download of the GLEE version and the JC version. Wouldn&#039;t it be nice of them to issue a statement saying they&#039;ll donate their royalties for the GLEE use to JC, or to go so far as to issue JC a copyright to his own version?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great summation of the quandry from a music publishing perspective, and it&#8217;s reflective of one of the things someone gives up when they record a cover song instead of an original song.  In retrospect, JC will make more money and gain more fans from all the coverage in Wired &amp; various outlets than he ever would&#8217;ve if he had had rights to his arrangement to begin with.  But there&#8217;s no official road/outlet to use to credit him, from FOX&#8217;s perspective, because he doesn&#8217;t own any rights to his version. If they were to somehow accredit him, that would imply that he has some legal right over the song &#8211; stuff like that.  </p>
<p>The notoriously silent party in this equation is the writer/publisher of Baby Got Back (Universal Music &amp; Ray Anthony) who own JC&#8217;s arrangement, who happily collected a fee for the use of the song on GLEE and who will collect 9.1 cents for every digital download of the GLEE version and the JC version. Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice of them to issue a statement saying they&#8217;ll donate their royalties for the GLEE use to JC, or to go so far as to issue JC a copyright to his own version?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://musicmachinery.com/2013/01/25/joco-vs-glee/#comment-37539</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is incorrect.  Any alterations that JC made to the song would belong to the publisher and writer of the original &quot;Baby Got Back.&quot;  JC would have signed an agreement stating this when he received the mechanical license to the song in 2005.  According to that Harry Fox license (which JC would have signed and been fully aware of, and has been paying royalties on since 2005) the original publisher/writer of the song would own JC&#039;s version 100% including any changes he made to it.  See post below showing standard language for all mechanical licenses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is incorrect.  Any alterations that JC made to the song would belong to the publisher and writer of the original &#8220;Baby Got Back.&#8221;  JC would have signed an agreement stating this when he received the mechanical license to the song in 2005.  According to that Harry Fox license (which JC would have signed and been fully aware of, and has been paying royalties on since 2005) the original publisher/writer of the song would own JC&#8217;s version 100% including any changes he made to it.  See post below showing standard language for all mechanical licenses.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://musicmachinery.com/2013/01/25/joco-vs-glee/#comment-37538</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly, it&#039;s strictly about licensing and how licensing works. When JoCo signed the mechanical license agreement, it said &quot;your arrangement now belongs to the original writer and publisher&quot; -- he would&#039;ve agreed to that and signed it, and has been paying the required royalty on that agreement since 2005. Everyone involved has played by the rules: his &quot;Johnny C&quot; line and duck quack are additions that he made to the song that now belong to the original writer and publisher of &quot;Baby Got Back.&quot;   GLEE can&#039;t approach JC to clear something to which he has no legal rights: they can&#039;t enter into a contract with him for anything because he doesn&#039;t own anything.  (except for his original master recording).   A lovely resolution here would be for the publisher and writer of this song to donate at least a portion of their royalties (on license fee and downloads of the song) to JC as a gesture of goodwill.  Do you think they will?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, it&#8217;s strictly about licensing and how licensing works. When JoCo signed the mechanical license agreement, it said &#8220;your arrangement now belongs to the original writer and publisher&#8221; &#8212; he would&#8217;ve agreed to that and signed it, and has been paying the required royalty on that agreement since 2005. Everyone involved has played by the rules: his &#8220;Johnny C&#8221; line and duck quack are additions that he made to the song that now belong to the original writer and publisher of &#8220;Baby Got Back.&#8221;   GLEE can&#8217;t approach JC to clear something to which he has no legal rights: they can&#8217;t enter into a contract with him for anything because he doesn&#8217;t own anything.  (except for his original master recording).   A lovely resolution here would be for the publisher and writer of this song to donate at least a portion of their royalties (on license fee and downloads of the song) to JC as a gesture of goodwill.  Do you think they will?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam C</title>
		<link>http://musicmachinery.com/2013/01/25/joco-vs-glee/#comment-37531</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s less about legal recourse (of which he has little) and more about right and wrong. They could have credited him, or done a hell of a number of things to foster good will about this, and they didn&#039;t. They even stole the Johnny C&#039;s line and duck quack gag, it&#039;s just shameless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s less about legal recourse (of which he has little) and more about right and wrong. They could have credited him, or done a hell of a number of things to foster good will about this, and they didn&#8217;t. They even stole the Johnny C&#8217;s line and duck quack gag, it&#8217;s just shameless.</p>
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		<title>By: danielfrench1988</title>
		<link>http://musicmachinery.com/2013/01/25/joco-vs-glee/#comment-37526</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 01:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually no mech. license is required, as Coulton&#039;s song was a cover and cannot be copyrighted as a derivative work. Glee must pay royalties to Sir Mixalot (just as Coulton did), and can steal Coulton&#039;s arrangement pretty much without penalty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually no mech. license is required, as Coulton&#8217;s song was a cover and cannot be copyrighted as a derivative work. Glee must pay royalties to Sir Mixalot (just as Coulton did), and can steal Coulton&#8217;s arrangement pretty much without penalty.</p>
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